Thursday, December 24, 2009

December 24, 2009 and Jan 14, 2010: Damien Luxe. Femmes Fight Back

Femmes Fight Back is a travelling roadshow that encourages people to talk about their various femme and sex worker activism projects, build queer and femme community, and remember femme heroines.

This interview was conducted in Dec. 2009, and aired on December 24, 2009 and January 14, 2010.

Part 1: Damien told me the story of the development of the Femmes Fight Back project, and tour, and the role it played in femme community building in her home city of New York, and in the places she went across North America, in her conversion van.

We talked about taking seriously the work you do, and considering this, when you talk about the projects you work on, regardless of how much or little you get paid for them. (A very important point! I am thinking about it all the time! It is my new motto for 2010).

Part 2: Damien talks about the role of sex workers and sex worker activism in the Femmes Fight Back project. Damien talks me about how sex workers and femmes are the 2 main axis of her feminism, and her world. Of course, these identities overlap. Damien identifies femmes for their (and her) fierceness, sense of power, agency and clear mindedness. And sex workers for their (and her) sense of choice, dignity and independance, being self directed, self motivated. Damien says "Sex workers in femme activism are the fierce ass mothers sisters neighbour boyfriends, girlfriends who are willing to put their minds and bodies on the line, because that is not a foreign concept to them".

We discuss Femme Visibility, and Femme Remembrance.

The role of femmes in the world of compulsive heterosexuality. The experience of sexual harrassment. The power of having a whole room of femmes together. What that means. Creating community and increasing femme visibility.

And then we talked about the butch nod and the femme glance. I have to say i love the butch nod. Thats when i see another butch person and its such a relief and thrill and we give a little nod to each other. Butch nodding was especially exciting when i used to go to community college on the edge of a suburb, and it was a very isolating experience. it was so good to nod to other butches in the halls.

Damien talks about the femme version of the butch nod. "I'm trying to give them a little shot of strength, like Boom, I'm trying to tell them that I love them.. I think being in a room with a whole bunch of femmes helps to develop the femme glance, instead of the nod."

We ended this episode discussing jealousy and competition within the femme community,

"Maybe we can both get what we want. this idea that there is only so much love to go around and only so much money is kind of capitalist in a lot of ways, you know?"

This is a rad, inspiring interview. Make sure you listen to it.

Damien performs under the name Axon D'Lux, and is regular in the world as Hadassah Damien.

Check out Femmes Fight Back, and other rad projects, at:

Wednesday, December 23, 2009

December 17 2009, and January 7 2010: Mattilda Bernstein Sycamore (Part One and Two)

(photo by Chris Hammett)

Mattilda . Many Ways to Sleep Badly. Writing about decay, and politics, and community. Writing about sex work, sex, and roaches.

How do I write about this interview when all I want to do is gush, and fall off my chair? This interview was done on Dec. 16 2009, and aired in two parts: on Dec. 17 2009, and Jan. 7 2010.

Part 1: Mattilda starts by reading an excerpt from So Many Ways to Sleep Badly (published by City Lights). There is something dynamic and important in hearing Mattilda's voice to read the words. Stories loop back on themselves. We get to know people slowly and all over the place. It feels real life, even though this book is very different from my life. Hyper real. Referencing the BBC and NPR. Irony, humor, politics.

We also talk about Mattilda's writing process for this book.

Political decay. Decay inside the apartment.Chronic pain, sex and tricks. Politics, and activism. Relationships, and friendships.
putting it all in the same place. leveling the playing field. Explaining Less. Writing about music, and dreaming, roaches, rats,parks and pigeons.

Part 2: Mattilda talks about what it means for her to write about sex work, and sex in general and highlights some of her reccomendations for other authors who write about sex work, Carol Queen and David Wojnarowicz among them.

We finish the interview by talking about the value and pitfall of The International Day to End Violence Against sex work.

Mattilda Bernstein Sycamore was generous, passionate and so so so insightful in this interview. It. Was. So. Great!

Read her books. Check out her website.

Contact me for a copy of this interview.

December 3, 2009: Danielle Dyson! Quilts, Films, and Family

Danielle Dyson lives in Guelph, and works as a cinematographer. She collaborated with the work of her son, Taj Dyson, and her mother Sheila Dyson to put together Home Again, an interactive installation at Ed Video.

Home Again features Quilts by Shelia, Animation by Taj, family heirlooms, Films by Danielle and sticks, dirt, snow, and bark.

In this interview, Danielle walked me through the space, telling me the history of various family objects, describing the films that were going to play, projected on quilts. Danielle's films in this piece are memories, dreams, evoking childhood, adulthood, seasons, life and death.

Danielle wants to break boundaries of how quilts are presented. I think she successeds.

november 26 2009: See-through Rainbow Bugs Everyone Can Make! The Spectra Focus!

Paul Winstanley invented the Spectra Focus over 25 years ago on the west coast. The Spectra Focus uses a crystal and sunlight, or a light bulb with metallic surfaces such as mirrors, metallic mylar, metal cooking bowls and other things to project magic rainbow membrane 3-D shapes on a wall, ceiling, floor, outside of house, or whatever.

Paul has brought the Spectra focus to schools, festivals, concerts, science fairs, and people's homes. Its a moving, interactive, all ages animation project.

In this interview Paul and I discuss the history of the Spectra Focus, and his interest in creating experiences where people feel like they are seeing something they have never seen before, and they appreciate humanity and the beauty that nature brings us. Paul talks about studying perception and alternating states of consciousness.

See it for yourself at

November 19, 2009: Sweetie Box Studios

"Fashion is so easy, style is much harder" -Amy Smania

Amy Smania lives down the street from me. She has a workshop in her backyard that looks from the park like a secret shed. Inside though, its roomier than you would imagine. There is an electric stove, and enough room for Amy to make jewerly, and display it in an area that looks like a dreamy living room dressingroom studio.

We met on a rainy night with a portable recorder in Amy's workshop, to talk about her work. Amy has been making jewelery for over 20 years. Her work is stunning, often asemetrical, can be worn more than one way, and evokes dreams and stories. They remind me of the tough and gritty parts of fairy tales... those parts you wait for.

In this interview Amy talks about the intimacy of making custom work (which the is the majority of the work she does), She talks about her process, and history with jewelery making. We talk about what it means to pass on things with meaning. To let go of work, and to make work in collaboration with those who will wear them and pass them on.

Check out Amy's work at

November 12: Simon Strikeback: Where kink and radical politics meet.

Simon Strikeback is someone I want to get to know better. He is inspiring and does all sort of rad projects i want to sit next to, and spend time with.

I originally asked Simon to do an interview about the zine series: Bound To Struggle (that Simon edits). Bound to Struggle is a collection of essays, poems, art, and short stories that approach the topic of radical politics and kink. How our communities overlap, and how we bring these different parts of ourselves to bed, to school, to work, to the streets.

We started off by talking about Bound to Struggle in the interview. We talked about all the different things we love about the zine. We talked about Simon's experience of being an activist, and academic, and someone who loves kink. We talked about what is means for the zine to get submissions from all over the world, and be distroed in all sorts of places, and we talked about play, and playing, and the value of play in politics and kink.

We also talked about Riot Acts, a Transfabulous Rockumentary a film that debued on November 12, 2009.

And we talked about Camp Trans and the Michigan Womyn's festival, and shifts that have (maybe?) taken place recently, so that trans women are welcome at the Michigan Womyn's Festival.

Simon currently lives and works in Chicago. He plays ukulele in a trans folk punk band called Actor Slash Model. You can find out about his band, Riot Acts, and other projects, by

email me to get a copy of this interview! its worth it:

Sunday, December 20, 2009

Nov 5, 2009: crowsnest bike bags! and the art of talking about money

noam lapid designs and makes courier bags. Ze has started a company with the love and support of hir father. In this interview, we definine what a courier bag is. We talk about the beginning of the project, as a family business, and what it means to make something that reflects your communities.

Noam talked about hir work making bags that reflect and work for different bodies, and the soupy and exciting project of figuring out how to work within the capitalist system while still honouring anti-oppresion values and ideas.

Check out Noam's bags at, or email:

Saturday, November 28, 2009

Oct 29: Violent Women in Comics Part 3: Hothead Paisan Hommicidal Lesbian Terrorist

For three episodes of These Things That People Make me and my friend (and comic expert) Cecilia have been talking about depictions of violent women, and other kinds of violence in Tank Girl, Stray Bullets, and now Hothead Paisan.

We spend some time talking about Hotheads style and outfit, things that tend to be important to any comic book character.

Cecilia says: "I think also a lot of her violent episodes, even though they are pretty obvious can in some ways bring attention to something that is often glossed over that its going to happen" ( I agree with her)

Hothead Paisan is a much needed project of rage, and fighting back. Hothead Paisan is the hot fucker we wish we could be more often .

In this episode of These Things That people make we talk about how Hothead Paisan blatantly names oppression, and fights back through being violent back to the world. It is often very flashy, and sketchy and almost always instant and fast. There is a little bit of blood. Lots of penises get cut off.

We spend some time comparing Hot head to Stray Bullets and Tank Girl.

This week in the Ontarion, a local student based paper at the University of Guelph, where CFRU is housed, there was an article written on behalf of the staff, shit-talking a flyer that depicts a person with a strap on fucking the pope in the eye (a recruitment flyer for Bash Back Guelph) which was distributed at a recent art and activism conference. The Ontarion article was suggesting that the readers of the article should be fearful of marginalized, or oppressed people using 'violent' imagery, as if imagination, or cartharsis doesn't exist as necessary. Hot head paisan in some ways is very much in the vein of that flyer, although they serve (slightly) different purposes.

Cecilia and I don't always agree with Hothead's politics. Hothead is a butch who is not always supportive of femmes, and at times trips them, and is mean is other ways. Do we always need to like characters in all their actions? Its hard to find things, when we spend a lot of time trying to find role models, or inspiring comics and then they do something we really don't agree with.

Listen to the radio show:, follow the archives to hear the discussion!

Check out this comic and other work by Diane Dimassa

Monday, October 26, 2009

Oct 22: Andrew Hood: writing like a girl

Okay, so before i begin this entry, I want to say a BIG APPOLOGY for not keeping up with this blog. now shows have gone past that are not included here! ah! there were a lot of fantastic shows that are not documented here.

one day. one day i will get to them. but for now, i need to get to what has happend recently. sometimes thats the best place to start.

Andrew Hood and I both live in Guelph. Andrew is a fantastic short story writer who is also really great to interview.

Andrew Hood and I talked about what it means for him to write stories from the "female perspective." We talk about how to write a story that is queer enough to count. We talk about writing unlikeable characters, and reading them. And finding them more interesting.

Andrew made some good author reccomendations.... and we also talk about how white folks still love to collect other cultures, and sometimes that means novels from other places.

Its a good interview! ask me for a copy, or find it on our archives for the next 6 weeks. or buy Andrews new book: Pardon our Monsters!

Sunday, October 18, 2009

July 2nd: The Futures of the Past an interview with Conrad!

This interview discussed "The Futures of the Past" photo exhibit in Portland Maine, in June and July 2009! Conrad talked about how the project developed, and what it means to have photos of real people, involved in rural queer organizing. What that means for us now. What it meant to have archives, and what it means to archive.

We talked about urban attitudes about rural queers. This interview is great!
contact me to get a copy of it, and check out their blog, at

Saturday, June 27, 2009

June 25: (B)(b)erlin: a photo project! By Aaron Mangle! Lets talk about Shortcuts!

For the last 3 weeks I have been interviewing my brother about cities and art. This is the last (for now) of my interviews with my brother. Aaron photographed 100 shortcuts in halifax with poloroid film. He was thinking about how we all work together to make short cuts, without even talking about it. We make these paths on the ground.
He made a book called "100 Shortcuts". In this interview Aaron talks about what shortcuts do as metaphors. And practically what it means. A place between to points that are meant to be traveled on.... meant to be separated by space. Thinking about political histories and how walls, fences and shortcuts show up in city histories.
Aaron went to Berlin on a scholarship art project last fall... starting his project by looking for shortcuts, as a way of showing a city that had been so significantly divided, now joined by shortcuts. The project changed a bunch once he got there.Listen to the interview to hear his good smart voice, and all the things he says. Contact me for a copy of the show :, or visit the archives at

Friday, June 12, 2009

June 11 and June 18: Cities and Art. Art Bikers. Aaron Mangle. a great interview! Part 1 and 2

Aaron Mangle is my great brother who does lots of exciting things.
Here is one of them. Aaron Mangle has been working with Art Bikers in Halifax for the first 3 summers. Aaron Mangle talks about the beginning of the art biker project, a mobile art and community building project.

This year, the Art Bikers project that Aaron is involved in is based primarily in Bayers Westwood. Aaron describes the neighbourhood. Aaron talks about how Bayers Westwood situates itself in Halifax.

In Part One of the our interview (June 11) Aaron speaks of a tension and challenge involved in working in a neighbourhood not his own, and the negotiation of his priviligde to come and go. The negotiation of personal/professional boundaries. We talked the limits of printing pamphlets about information, or websites, how that is not enough. How you need to meet people face to face, and spend time with them, to really meet people, and do things together that mean anything.

I found this interview particularly interesting because i kept changing out how i thought about what Aaron was saying. He is talking about a subject he has obviously thought a lot about and it shows.

In Part Two of our interview (June 18) We talked a lot about the words CRAFT and ART. Its going for me to some up all the nuances of what we talked about, so it might be best for you to listen to this episode to really get a sense of what we talked about. We talked about kids being given crap for art materials, and doing projects that are mostly invidualized. Aaron talked about the shifting focus of art bikers' projects from individual art projects (using a lot of crappy craft supplies) to collective projects, using cardboard and other materials to create collective projects, but that they were still perscriptive, and Art Bikers' shift to incorporating traditions of craft and skill into their projects. We also talked about the different assumptions of importance placed on Fine Art, as opposed to craft, how those things are tied to specific mediums... and the limits of that.

Check out the archive of this interview at, or email me at and i'll send a copy to you.
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June 4: Elisha's 100 Butches! An interview with Elisha Lim

oh dear dear dear, Elisha is so great! I met with her in Toronto. She tells the history of the beginning of her project: 100 Butches.

We talked about her comic style, and process. We talked about the nuances, and limits of the word butch. We talked about how what she originally wanted to acheive through the project has changed. We talked about the gay-stream main stream, and how Elisha's idea of her audience has changed.

I think her work is really important, as a historical, and continually relevant archival project. As a hot, great conversational art piece that holds up a mirror, crumples it up, and lays it out in a series of bright, personal, and realistic portraits. I love it, and it was a joy to meet her. Buy the book when it comes out.

Check out the archives at cfru to hear the interview at or email me and i'll send you an audio copy of the interview!

Check out Art Threat for another interview with Elisha Lim
Find her on No More Potlucks at

Saturday, May 30, 2009

May 28: Cake! An interview with Steve Mason! An interview with Jack Locke! The poet who says: don't become a baker, do something else!

Jack Locke is an old friend who has baked in many different settings for many years.
Jack Locke is also a fabulous poet. We talked about baking for money, and love. Jack read some poems about baking. Its great!

Steve Mason is sometimes Red Velvet Cake. Steve Mason is sometimes apple pie. It just dependes. I interviewed Steve about decadence, cake, and identity. Steve is the tech coordinator at CFRU, and a great, thoughtful, eloquent speaker.

Steve emailed me a recipe for his favorite cake these days, red velvet cake.
Check it out, at

here's what steve says about this recipe:

"The only thing that I have trouble remembering to buy from the ingredients list is buttermilk.

The white cream cheese icing is important. It gives the whole cake a different persona. It's kind of fleshy actually."

next week: 100 butches with Elisha Lum!

Thursday, May 21, 2009

May 21: Mooswood Cookbooks are great! An interview with co-owner and collective member David Hirsch

David Hirsch inspired me go home and cook a great meal for my roomates. He is one of the 19 collective members and co-owners of Moosewood Restaurant, who have also made over 10 cookbooks. In this interview we talk about strategies for recipe development, and creative and logistic processes involved in developing a cookbook. David shares a favorite recipe and we talk about the Food Network on TV , and how Davids cooking style has changed in the last 30 or so years.

David was great to interview. I encourage everyone to go listen to this interview, and then either cook yourself a great meal, or hitch hike or drive to Ithaca, to eat at the Moosewood Restaurant.

Look for an archive of the show on , and if its been more than 6 weeks since this post, contact me and i'll mail you a copy of the interview! its so good!

next week: the cake panel!

Friday, May 15, 2009

May 14: Messy Baby! Messy Dog! An interview with Sarah Evans and Julie Hartley

Two sisters made a split zine about simple, make-able meals for Dogs and Babies. In this interview Sarah and Julia told me about the recent trend of fancy dog food and babyfood recipe books, and Sarah and Julie's share more reasonable recipes. We talk about why it makes sense to make baby food and dog food instead of buying it, and tricks to get your baby or dog to eat food they don't like. (yet)

This zine was completed in July 2008 as part of the 24 hour zine challenge at the Anchor Archive Zine Library in Halifax.
To find out more about the zine challenge, the zine library, or to order a copy of 'messy baby messy dog!' check out

you can also order copies of the zine from Learning to Leave a Paper Trail Distro at

listen to archives of this episode of 'these things that people make' on CFRU's archive page:

and contact me if you want CD copies of any of the shows! I will mail them to you.
Thanks for listening!

Next Episode: An interview about Moosewood Cookbooks!

Sunday, May 10, 2009

May 7: The Story of The Mountain and the Cloud, an interview with Chris Yang about his latest kids book project

Chris Yang and I sat in his bedroom. We each brought some illustrated books most commonly market to children and talked about illustrated books that are about weather patterns, or objects or capitalism. Chris has just self published "The Story of The Mountain and the Cloud." Chris described the book, and at the very end, reads it.

It is priceless listening to Chris Yang read his book. It is highly recommended. Contact me for a copy of this edition of 'These Things that People Make' to hear our voices (and Chris Yang reading his book!). Email me at

Chris Yang is a musician with a voice like a sad river, rolling through a busy city. Listen to his music at

April 30: Sew Dolls of Yourself! Alter clothes so they'll look fabulous: An Interview with Dave End

Dave End is a touring queer folk singer, originally from rural Maine (Now based in Philly). Dave End makes stuffed animals, and stuffed people, and stuffed portraits of himself. In our interview, Dave talks about his history of making fabric versions of himself, altering his own clothes, and outfits for dancing and a musical he is writing.

He talked about rad art school projects he did with fabric and panties and huggable walls. And we talked about DIY culture and Fat Actvitism, connecting all these things: queer performance, DIY projects, fat activism, and self love. We talked about how to make the things you can't find in the world. To just make them yourself.

Check out Dave End's music at www.myspace/daveend

Contact me if you want the audio interview! Its good! email me at, and i will send it to you in the mail.

April 23: Performance Art with knitted Creatures. An Interview with Lin Hood

Lin felts little critters out of wool, and found things. They live around her house, and come out to play during performances. Lin composes fantastical, hilarious, dreamlike, and emotionally durable performance pieces. They blow me away.

In this interview, Lin talks about how artschool (NSCAD) led her away from using fabrics and fibres, and how friendships, and interesting people in her life led her back once she was done. She talks about her love of children's books, and their use in her process, and what she would do if she ran her own performance art workshop series.

Lin was a joy to interview... all the way in her beautiful apartment in Halifax.

Contact me if you want a CD copy of the interview.

April 16: Knit your own Beard! An interview with Rebecca Singer

This interview was so extremely inspiring! Rebecca is so rad! She made a zine about kniting beards, and she also cuts hair!
I was so happy and excited to interview Rebecca. We talked about knitting beards. We talked about advice on hair cutting. And we made good plans for the future. Rebecca's beard zine is one of my favorite zines. Picture people biking in winter with beards!

Think of all the beards you can make... and then email me to get a copy of this interview! you will love it. you will start knitting beards right way.

April 9: My interview with Jane Mangle (my mom) about Knitting Zines, and other advice

My mom has been knitting for over 40 years. She has a lot of good advice. Plus she's a great person. In this interview, she talked about some knitting zines, and blogs she found useful, her history with knitting and advice for beginning knitters. Mom also talked a little bit of her understanding of the history of gender and knitting, and the importance of knitting clubs, and how to start one.

This interview is a heart warmer. Let me know if you want a copy.

April 2: Chad and Super Rick T present their kazine article:"ARC Industries and Torchlight: Job training or Slave Labour?

Super Rick T wrote this article in the latest Kazine (a local edited collage of poetry, images and writing, that is made in Guelph):

"ARC Industries and Torchlight: Job Training or Slave Labour?
Part One

There are work placements that people with special needs and seniors
with special needs work at called Torchlight and ARC Industries (aka
Adult Rehabilitative Centre). Torchlight only pays their workers
$0.20 an hour, ARC Industries only pays $0.70 an hour. I think this
is slavery. I think they should pay the same as a regular work
placement, or at the very least substantially more than these slave

These placements are funded by the government who gives disability
pensions to people who need them. I've heard one of the possible
reasons the wages are so low is so that the earnings of the employees
won't be high enough to affect their pension. If a person with
special needs has a part time job they get $0.50 taken off their
pension for every dollar they make at their job so the less they make
the less will be taken off. But a person with special needs would be
better served to get paid more cause they would still be up $0.50 and
get motivated to work more maybe. Paying them such little amounts is
degrading and is sort of exploiting them.

When i did a telephone interview with ARC Industries they told me
the reason why they pay so low is because it's a training allowance,
not a wage. I think that's nonsense. The lady I spoke to was very
rude to both me and my friend Boston when we spoke on the phone to
them. They tried to get rid of us right away, then tried to pass us
off to an extension that was a dead end, and then finally talked to us
but not before saying we better keep it short. I've also heard that
some of the supervisors there are rude to the workers and not very
patient which seems believable after how we were treated on the phone.

Another problem is that some people who work there will never go on
to work somewhere else. So ARC saying that they don't pay a wage and
instead a training allowance is bogus because some of the people
aren't even being trained to move onto anywhere else. I realize these are
the only work placements for some people to work at but at least the
supervisors could be a little more patient and kind.

This issue is complicated and I know ARC Industries and Torchlight
have a lot of pros and cons so I will further explore and research to
figure out more what is going on. I plan to do a second more in depth
interview with them before the next kazine that is why this is just
part one of this article.'

They came on the show, and read the article, and discussed their experiences and impressions of Torch Light and Arc Industries. The article is great. And Both Chad and Rick are clear and thoughtful in their approach of the issues they address.
What really stuck with me from the article was the importance of respect for disabled people to speak for themselves. There has clearly been a severe lack of consultation from the folks who are employed at Torchlight and Arc Industries, and using their programs, as to how things could improve.

Let me know if you want a copy of this interview.

March 26: Kerri and Chelle talk about "Nailbiter: an Anxiety Zine"

'Nailbiter: An Anxiety Zine' was my zine catch of last year's Montreal Anachist Bookfair. My favorite. Its precious material, and composition as well as smart vulnerable useful content is essential heartbreaking and heartwarming. I love it. I love this zine. And after talking with Kerri and Chelle about it in this interview, I got more excited for the new issue thats being put together right now.

Kerri and Chelle do a really good job in this interview, of laying out their process. They talk about the lack of resources for folks who have anxiety, and their desire to make a really beautiful zine compilation discussing anxiety. You should really just listen to the interview. (just ask, and i will mail you a copy!)

We sat down on their couch in their apartment in Montreal, and I held a copy of the zine between us. There were cats running around.

Kerri and Chelle are both eloquent, honest and charming. They do good work. They are a part of the St Emile Skillshare.
Check it out:

Saturday, May 9, 2009

March 12: Cecilia, Helene, Jasmine, and I discuss ‘Identity Crisis: Punk Community and Subculture” a zine edited by Jen Lorang

Jen Lorang's 'Identity Crisis: Punk Subculture and Community' is a zine I would love to have 100 copies of all the time. And just hand it out to people at shows, at work, at my house. It seemed to come at a very good time in my life, and in the lives of our friends.

Its a zine that compiles many interviews, and beautiful portraits of the people being interviewed about what Punk Culture and Punk Community means to them, and has meant to them in the past. There are many discussions about RiotGrrl, disability and identity, sexual assault, patriarchy, queer identity, and spirituality.

On 'These Things That People Make' we had a panel of 3 folks who live here in Guelph with various relationships to punk: Cecilia, Helene and I, and we were joined over the phone with Jasmine from Halifax, who had originally introduced me to the zine.

We discuss what resonated for us about the zine. The relationship the images had to the interviews, racism and sexism in punk communities, and what we appreciate about DIY and Punk ideas.

It seemed fitting to have a group of people discuss a zine that is very much about bringing people together to talk in depth about our experiences with the culture and language of Punk stuff. What we love. What we want to keep, and what we are frusterated with.

You can find 'Identity Crisis: Punk Subculture and Community' at various zine libraries all over the place. I ordered my copy online, at Microcosm Publishing:

Let me know if you want a copy of this episode of 'These Things that People Make! I'd love to send it to you!'

March 5: AJ Withers: If I Can't Dance, Is It Still My Revolution?

AJ Withers is the author of “If I Can’t Dance is it still my Revolution”, and is a disabled anti-poverty activist living in Toronto. AJ is a prolific artist, activist, and writer.

We met in a friends house, in Toronto and talked about their zine project 'If I can't Dance Is it Still My Revolution', and its shift to being an online resource. You can find it at

We talked about the limits of zine distribution, and AJ's history with making zines. We also talked about Damn 2025, and the Ontario Coalition Against Poverty and AJ's upcoming website launch in Toronto, featuring Eli Claire.

Check out for more info on Damn 2025, for more info about OCAP,
and for more info about Eli Claire.

And as always, let me know if you want me to email you or mail you a copy of this interview

February 17: Doris Zine and Otis and Otis!


Cindy Crabb's Doris is a very important zine series to me. Doris is a difficult zine to describe, and its been around for at least 10 years. There are hand-drawn comics. Book reviews. Personal stories. Frank discussions of sexual assault and other hard things about patriarchy. We talked about Doris, and we talked about 'Support Zine' and 'Learning Good Consent'. We also talked about Cindy's performance projects.

check out for more details about her projects. You can also write to her atCindy Crabb, PO Box 29 Athens Ohio 45701

JENNY MITCHELL/ JENNY OMINCHORD: Otis and Otis go to the moon!

Jenny and talked about her kid's book project Otis and Otis, featuring Otis, her child and Otis, her rat. Jenny makes fantastic collages. We also talked about other trends in kids books, and kids books that she loves. Jenny Omnichord is a fabulous local guelph one-woman omnichord band. Check out her music at: